Experimentation beats early success

Their first show about Britney Spears had a very small audience, the pair recalled.

But that period “when no one was looking” allowed them space to experiment and learn, Parker said. She now sees those early episodes as critical practice that taught them how to create stronger shows for the future.

“Without that experience of truly podcasting into the void, we never would have been good enough for when a good idea came,” Parker said. “It’s such an iterative experience podcasting, and in order to get better at it, you have to have these reps.”