Marvel’s Kevin Feige didn’t really have all that much to share in the way of fascinating plot details during his presentation at Disney’s upfront presentation this evening, but he did finally announce the premiere dates for both Loki season 2 and Echo, the Hawkeye spinoff starring Alaqua Cox as its titular heroine. Loki’s second season will premiere on October 6th, followed by Echo’s first season premiere on November 29th.

Between the one-two punch of introducing the MCU’s Kang the Conqueror and really setting over the franchise’s current era of multiversal messiness, Loki’s first season ended on a rather interesting, open-ended note. The second could approach from a variety of angles and maybe even address some of the stranger goings-on in the larger MCU. It’s much more likely, though, that when Loki season 2 and Echo premiere this fall, they’re going to stay in their own lanes and leave the things happening in the films to work themselves out.